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Scott has lived in Brookfield for over 20 years and has been 5th District alderman since 2000. This blog will try to round out the views on Brookfield presented by so many others.

Update on June 2008 Flood

By Scott Berg
Monday, Aug 4 2008, 07:57 PM

The exceptionally heavy rainfall of early June was devastating for the entire Midwest.  I also know that the storms were a disaster for hundreds of Brookfield residents due to both flooding and sewer backups.  I can assure you that all the aldermen want to know what more can be done.

The key point to keep in mind is that fixing this will be new work, new construction and new regulation, all of which have a price tag.  How much can the city raise your taxes and fees to lessen (no one will make a 100% guarantee) the risk of a recurrence?  I welcome your responses to help guide me and my fellow aldermen in deciding what to do.

On August 3, 6th District Alderman  Jerry Mellone sent an email to Mayor Speaker asking for investigation and possibly legislation regarding flood control in Brookfield. The same request has been made by many of the aldermen since the storm.  The following is Ald. Mellone’s referral and my comments based on my experience.  I did ask Director of Public Works Tom Grisa to review a draft copy for technical accuracy, but these are my comments.  

Here are some reference documents from the city engineering department.

Brookfield City Engineering Report on June, 2008 Floods (PDF, 25k, 4 pages)

Brookfield City Engineering Report on June, 2008 Floods - Update (PDF, 32k, 4 pages)

Brookfield City Engineering Report -  Methods for Improving Stormwater Drain    age, Reducing Flooding, and Minimizing Basement Backups City of Brookfield - June 2008 (PDF, 23k, 2 pages)

Brookfield City Engineering Report  - Sewer and Stormwater system Improvements, 1998 to 2007 (PDF, 53k, 12 pages)


Let me apologize in advance for some odd formatting here.  The blogger software leaves a LOT to be desired.  I may be tuning it up from time to time as I learn more, but I think you'll get the idea.   

    

Ald. Gerald Mellone’s Referral of August 3 and 4, 2008   Ald. Scott Berg’s Comments 

From: Jerry Mellone [mailto:gmellone@att.net]

To: Jeff Speaker

Subject: Legislative Referral Regarding Sewer Back Up
 
Mayor Speaker,This referral is my assessment of the devastating sewer back-ups experienced by some Brookfield residents as a result of the storm this past June. Taking a proactive approach to this problem should result in the correction of a problem that seems insurmountable to everyone involved.  Each flooding problem is unique, but all of these problems could be corrected by following this recommendation. 

 

 

 

This email is a formal request by an alderman for the city staff and aldermanic committees to consider a topic of interest to that alderman on behalf of the residents.  It is addressed to the Mayor in his role as chief administrative officer so that the appropriate staff members can review the topic, discuss it with the alderman for clarification, place it on committee agendas, etc.

It is common to get a new referral on a topic that has been discussed and acted on many times in the past.  In this case, the June floods were a “test” of all the system upgrades made in the last decade.  Of course, every system is built to some design limit.  Why can’t your car travel at 400 mph?  The storms of 1997, 1998 and June, 2008 were well beyond every design limit used by the city.  Raising that design limit is a valid discussion topic, but the price tag will be shocking.

1.  Create a program that inspects and eliminates sump pump discharge into the sanitary system.  This could be accomplished with a voluntary program with instructions to residents and businesses to verify compliance and have laws in place to fine those who do not comply with this program.

 

 

 

 

 

  

Connecting sump pump ejection hoses to the sanitary sewer has never been legal.  Connecting foundation drains was legal until 1954 when the plumbing codes were changed to prohibit it.  Brookfield did inspect for this as part of the flood systems improvements during the last decade and found about a dozen homes in violation out of several thousand. This is common in older parts of Milwaukee, but given the relatively recent construction on Brookfield homes, I doubt this is common here.

Voluntary programs have their share of problems.  If the program is voluntary, yet finding the connection would require you to make the change or be fined, why would you volunteer?  The combination of “voluntary” and “fine those who do not comply” is a conflict of terms.  Another approach would be to make the inspection and repair required upon sale of the house, as is done now with city water connection.  This would require a city inspector to visit the site, which is an added expense to the city.  Of course, the selling homeowner would resist and claim it decreases the selling price of the house. 
1a. If storm water enters the basement through a window well, a window drain can be added by drilling horizontally below the well and directing the water to a sump pump basin.  If the sump basin is not located in this area of the home the water can be discharged into a Sink Tray that can be pumped up to grade away from the area of the basement window.  Sink Trays are available with a ½ HP motor that can pump up to 40 feet of total dynamic head. 

In the days following the June storm, I visited two houses and a condo that would have benefited from such a device.  Of course, you still have the problem of where to put the water you pump out.  The June storm filled every ditch, waterway, storm sewer, etc. past capacity so dumping in more water would not have been immediately possible. 

 

2.  Have staff meet with WE Energies and arrive at solutions to avoid power outages.  Loops in the design of their system could provide back ups to areas susceptible to power outages. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

This was done after the 1997-1998 storms.  Since a common cause of power failure is tree limbs breaking or shorting out power lines, it resulted in aggressive tree trimming by WE Energies.  Remember seeing the yellow Asplundh trucks?  Many residents complained when the trees were pruned, even when they clearly surrounded a power line and posed a danger.  Proper placement of trees in the first place so that they would not grow into the power lines would be a better solution, but we’re way past that now.

There are industry standards for an “acceptable” number of power outages and the utility will claim they comply.  As far as I know, the city cannot force a higher standard of power reliability since utilities are already regulated at the federal level.  Looping electrical power is common practice, although I don’t have details on the specific layout of Brookfield’s power grid.  Remember, the power company isn’t making any money during a power failure, so they already have a profit incentive to keep the lines well maintained and minimize power outages.  However, they go through a calculation of whether the “couple of hours every few years” outage costs more in lost profit than the purchase and maintenance of the equipment.  They have no liability for basements flooding, etc. due to the outages. 

 

In the interest of full disclosure, I work for a company that makes exactly this sort of utility control equipment and I know that WE Energies purchases it.  Properly applied, it is effective.  Given that my employer is a $6 billion company and I am a lowly engineer, I would not directly profit from the sale of this equipment and my biggest personal benefit would be more reliable power to my house. 

3.  Encourage and offer incentives to new construction that utilize on site storage and use of rain water.  Rainwater can be stored under parking areas and on site for use on site.  Web sites such as http://rainwatermanagement.com/ and www.ads.com along with others show rain water storage techniques and uses of this water for irrigation, laundries, truck and car wash, flushing toilets etc. This practice will help the overloading of our sanitary system as well as augment our potable water supply.   Brookfield should set an example by utilizing these techniques in the construction of its schools and facilities. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On-site storage is already being done in Brookfield.  Examples include the Johnson Bank at North and Lilly and the new Schlossman’s car dealership on Capitol and Brookfield.  

What is meant by “incentives”?  Having taxpayers pick up the bill?  Granting more variances on density, height, signage, etc.?  That creates as many problems as it solves.  The SEWRPC 2035 Regional Water Study explored rainwater storage,  declared it a minor improvement and did not recommend it.  One consideration is how “dirty” the water gets.  If it’s collected off a roof it is considered mostly clean (thought not drinkable) and simple filtration can remove any dirt.  If it’s collected off a parking lot it may have traces of grease, oil, gas, fertilizers, insecticides, etc. as well as dirt, limiting its use.  Our world is filled with a lot more contaminants than pioneer days.  It is a manageable problem, but the point is that it is not as easy as just filling a rain barrel and dumping it out the next day.  City code already requires keeping the storm water outflow rate from a property to no more than what was happening before the construction.  Of course, if that old rate was already causing flooding, it doesn’t really fix anything.  I have heard resident’s complain about empty and useless retention and detention ponds after the June storms, yet the civil engineers claim they work as designed.  How do we get the “real” story?    These are fairly new ideas conservative property owners will resist using “unproven” techniques that “only drive up our costs”.  How many solar heating panels installed in the late 1970’s are still in operation? So, would forcing the use and expense of these techniques show environmental leadership, or would they just be a disguise for making the cost of new construction in Brookfield so expensive as to stop all development?  Are there two agendas here? 
3a. Storm water can be captured and directed into a cistern.  This can be a 55 gallon drum.  Holding tanks are available starting at 300 gallons to 30,000 gallons for residential and small commercial use.  This water can be used to irrigate, wash cars, etc.  If there is a recurring drainage problem, neighbors could get together and share in the cost of the installation of a cistern.  There is a payback by saving on their water bills.  This practice may or may not solve a flooding problem depending on the area it will serve and the storm event. 

This option is gaining attention as a water conservation method as well as a flood control mechanism.

 

 

 

4.  For those homes still affected by sewer backup, Brookfield should help the residents isolate those problem homes and utilize back water valves to stop the sewer backup.  In-line back water valves, due to design flaws, can add to the problem because the flapper tends to trap debris rendering these valves ineffective.  There is an automatic operating back water valve manufactured by J. R. Smith Co. that utilizes the pressure created in the line to activate a stainless steel knife gate that stops the back flow when the sewer is in flood stage.  This device automatically stops the back up and opens a full port line when the flood subsides.  This device has proven effective for over 10 years and gives the home owners peace of mind that their home will no longer flood due to sewer back up.

 

 

What does “help the residents” mean? 

Should tax dollars be used to buy them for residents?  Why should my taxes go up to pay for someone else’s poor plumbing?What if your basement never flooded but you wanted a valve just in case?  Does the city buy you one anyway?It’s mechanical so sooner or later it will clog, leak or fail.  Does the city inspect and maintain the valves forever?  Does the city incur liability if the valve fails?If the water stops flowing to a basement it still has to go somewhere.  What happens when the neighbor who never had flooding gets all that water?  Did the city really help anyone?I have no personal experience with these devices, but I have heard they work well.  There are several models, but most require digging up the lateral between your house and the city sewer and inserting the valve.  This requires a professional plumbing contractor.   You can learn more at:  http://www.backwater-valves.com/ Several city web sites mention using these valves, but I don’t know of any that require them, endorse them or subsidize them.http://www.torrnet.com/12673.htm http://www.lacity.org/SAN/lasewers/sewers/spills/backwater_valves.htm 

5.  If storm water from a sump pump is the cause of a flooded basement due to power outages, there are battery operated sump pumps that can be installed to alleviate this problem.  These require a well-maintained battery. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Battery operated sump pumps are available many home improvement stores.  They are 12 volt pumps sometimes used a bilge pumps on motorboats.  A large battery can operate them for several hours.

I installed one at my house with little difficulty.  I test it at least once per year by unplugging the main pump (simulates power or pump failure) and using a hose to fill the sump.  Make sure the drain hose is unobstructed and flows well away from the house.Maintenance of the battery is critical.  I recommend a deep discharge marine battery.  The acid levels should be checked one to two times per years and the battery should be replaced every 5 to 10 years.  There are low maintenance batteries that don’t need to be checked, but that adds to cost.  I follow a pretty conservative practice, but would you rather have the pump fail when it’s needed the most?  Given that the pump will run only when you have a lot of rain and no power, it could be several years between activations.Another solution is a home generator.  They are expensive and portable ones can be difficult to connect and maintain.  The “best” is a permanent installation, runs on natural gas and automatically switches on when power fails and will cost upwards (often WAY up) of $5,000. 

 

By the way, I paid for my battery powered pump with my own money.  Will the city pay for new ones?  Can I get reimbursed?  I mean, my (increased) taxes will be paying for the new ones for everyone else, right? 

If the home owner is not inclined to maintain this equipment, they could install a city water activated sump pump that works like an aspirator during a power failure.  City water pressure creates a siphon on the sump pump discharge and automatically dumps the water to grade during a power failure.  This is manufactured by Base Pump.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I have seen these water powered pumps at home improvement stores but have no personal experience with them.  They have no moving  pump parts (it uses the Venturi effect) but they do have check valves that can fail.  They are considered highly reliable, but not perfect.

City water pressure is maintained during blackouts by water towers and emergency generators at key well stations.  This is a relatively new DNR requirement and is really meant to maintain water pressure for firefighting during a blackout.  You could make an argument about “wasting” drinking water to pump out your basement, but in the rare emergency I think it’s a reasonable option.  Of course, you will be billed for the water.For reference, an average sump pump is 1/3 horsepower and can move 25 gallons/minute (GPM) or 1,500 gallons/hour (gph).  It is common in Brookfield to have two independent sump pumps and having one not operate off utility power is a reasonable idea.For more information, check these web sites (and no, I have no connection to these companies – I found them using Google).  http://www.radonseal.com/pumps/water-powered-pumps.htm    http://www.1stflash.com/files/Basementsaver.htm  

http://www.senecaplumbing.com/backup-sump-pumps.html 

By the way, the irony of water powered sump pumps is that they add the storm water AND the city water to the already overloaded drainage system.

6.  Brookfield could also purchase gasoline or diesel powered pumps.  These pumps could be used to pump out problem areas during power failures and high event storms. 

 

 

 

 

The Sewer District has several large gas powered pumps.  They are deployed during large rain events based on past experience and on resident complaint.  The intake hose is lowered into a manhole in a flooded area and the outgoing hose drains into the nearby ditch.  If the water being drained includes sewage, this is considered a negative environmental event and must be reported to the DNR.  If a city or sewer district has too many of these events, the DNR can force corrective action, levy fines, etc.  The DNR has engineering standards to decide how “bad” the event is, whether it can reasonably be prevented from happening again, etc. 

 

The Dept. of Public Works should have a disaster plan in place before we have another event like we had in June. 

In fact, there are emergency plans.  These will be described at an upcoming meeting (see below). 
Please include the above for discussion at our Sewer and Water Board and on the Council floor.   Sincerely Yours, Jerry Mellone  Alderman Sixth District

 

 

A discussion of the June floods is already planned for the next meeting of the Sewer Board and Board of Public Works.  That will be on Tuesday, August 12 at 7:00 p.m. in the City Hall Council Chambers. 

The public is always welcome to observe.  However, this meeting is intended to inform the alderman about the staff’s observations and start the type of discussion Ald. Mellone is requesting.  
 

There are several other possible approaches:

1) Hung  (suspended, overhead) plumbing.  This is in use in Brookfield and Elm Grove.  It is expensive, but effective.

2) Many roadside ditches have been replaced with a culvert  (ditch enclosure).  It makes lawn care easier, but has less capacity (the round pipe is smaller than the original ditch) and doesn't collect water for it's entire length (it's closed, not open everywhere like a ditch).  Those ditches could be restored.  Better stormwater collection and flow but less pretty for the owner.  Where's the balance? 

3) Remove obstructions to water flow.  Inspect every yard and remove trees, shrubs, flowerbeds, sheds, fences, etc. that are in the intended path of the water flow.  Of course, that path is seldom obvious and is only occasionally protected by a city stormwater easement, making it legally difficult, not to mention incredibly heavy handed, to make these changes.  So how do you motivate a landowner to improve his property to allow stormwater flow to benefit someone else?

4) Change the design standards.  The current stormwater system (ditches, culverts, etc.) is designed to handle a "10 year event" (10% likelihood of happening in any given year.  Remember, people win that 50 million to 1 lottery all the time).  It could be changed to some higher standard.  I am told costs escalate very rapidly and what do you do about all the current "undersized" facilities?

 

Finally, there is the real “third rail” of sewer policy.  Many of the sewer pipes (laterals) connecting the house to the sewer in the street are defective.  Tree roots, poor soils, bad installation, etc. can make them leak like crazy.  Besides the sewage leaking out, they let rainwater leak in. 

The city uses a television camera to inspect every inch of its street located sewer lines in roughly a 20 year cycle.  The first inspection cycle was compressed to only 10 years, which just ended.  This resulted in many otherwise unknown problems being discovered and repaired in the last several years.  In theory, it could be extended to home laterals.   So suppose your lateral running under that big oak tree in the front yard is leaking like crazy, allowing rainwater into the sewer system that floods your downhill neighbors.  Should the city be able to inspect your pipe and force you to repair it at your expense?  After all, it is your pipe that is causing sewer backups on your street. 
 

In the interest of full disclosure, I want to add that Ald. Jerry Mellone and his family, including Ald. Lisa Mellone, are the owners of Northland Sales, Inc. of New Berlin, a wholesale plumbing supplier who sells many of the devices listed here.  

This means they have good professional credibility when discussing the effectiveness of these products.  

 It also raises the issue of a conflict of interest if they are a major supplier of such parts for this area.  

Ald. Lisa Mellone has abstained from a few city project votes to avoid this conflict.

 http://www.northlandsalesinc.com/index.htm 
 

So, what do you think?  

Comments

kathryn   

Thank you for sharing this information.  My first impressions are these:  1) I have little to no interest in paying for private property improvements to handle rainwater for individual home owners.  I would be willing to consider assistance to individuals with very limited resources (e.g. an impoverished retiree), but that would require administrative oversight--perhaps better handled by a different agency?  2)Infrastructure like ditches and sewers benefit everyone and are part of our common responsibilities.  I would be willing to pay more in taxes if it kept sewage out of my neighbors' basements.  3) This was the third "100 year" flood in my limited time in Brookfield.  We may need to reconsider what constitutes a rare occurrence and plan our systems accordingly.

Scott's reply:

Thank you for your comments.  There's a long road ahead on this issue.  The city needs some guidance and I hope to get part of it here.

August 4, 2008 10:14 PM

Larry Knetzger   

Hi Scott, I have to give you a big complement here on taking the amount of personal time you have taken to put together such a comprehensive report and source of information for all of us. Education is everything in trying to make an informed decision. Being in the building business and building in many communities I have been up against municipalities that do not cooperate and have their own view on "Green" thinking.

Trees, don't touch or cut down or eliminate.  Big problem. When constructing a dwelling they prevent you from grading a property properly for surface run off away from a home so that you do not overload the drain tile system. The trees are a huge threat to homes during storms. Trees within 25 feet of a home pose a threat to the foundation walls. Huge fulcrum on the soil in stormy weather. Leaves constantly clog gutters causing over flow of the gutter along the foundation and making down spouts useless. No control of the water to areas that have been graded to accept surface water. Once again over load the drain tile system. Trees do nothing but ruin houses. Dampness on roofs because no sun can dry the shingles, mold and mildew.Always in the way of power lines, their roots infiltrate sanitary systems both public and private.

Individuals plant their trees on property lines that interfere with power lines as they mature and then complain when the tops are cut off by We-Energies. Poor planning on the part of a home owner with no consideration of others.

The setting of house grades has always been a huge problem with not allowing enough room between homes for a proper swail to allow for surface drainage of water at all times of the year. Lamplighter Park Subdivision on Burleigh Rd. is a good example of a poorly designed house grade problem. Very little chance between houses for surface run off of water.

I personally had a great deal of trouble with "Joe" one of our previous building inspectors and he would not let me raise the grade on my home prior to constrution in 1984. I have put in a double sump pump system to accommodate the ground water table that I ended up in because of not being able to raise the grade of the home. He was very difficult to deal with. Decent swail on one side, none on the other. His decision is now my on going problem.

Lots of communities set the grade of the home and the burden is then off my shoulders but the owner is for ever stuck with poor thinking by those that set home grades. I question this all the time and just create a bad relationship with the inspection departments because of my opinion on setting house grades. That opinion has been taught to me by all the failures I have seen along the way with no fix once the house is built. Not my problem, that of course is a bad answer and careless treatment of a home owner stuck with the City's or subdividers wants and criteria.

Power interruption has been a huge issue in our neighborhood that appeared to go away after the 90's storm. It improved greatly. Now its back again. In the past month or so I have improved many sump pump systems for individuals (outside our community) with installing higher capacity pumps in their sump crocks along with double sump pump systems that start up when we get a huge rain fall as we did in June. Not always the solution though. If you don't start that second pump now and then the impeller can become frozen and useless when needed.

Individual power interruption equipment has greatly improved in the last 5 -10 years that are available for those that can afford it. It is almost to the point that if you want to own a home its as necessary as the sanitary system servicing the home. The sewer line valves are a great idea vs one back up, especially if you have a finished basement.The valves must be operated at least every few month's to keep them serviceable. Some of the elderly folks might have an issue with this and have to rely on friends , family or neighbors to help out. Nothing is maintenance free. The individual them selves should pay for this because it is an improvement on private property and they then own it. At the time this is done they would also be able to dam the sewer line excavation trench for infiltration of ground water into the drain tile system through the sewer lateral. Not the City's problem. Just good construction practice.

I cannot over emphasize proper grading and that every one must take care of their own water on their own property and not give it to their neighbor. Water must be directed to common swails etc.Their is lots of case law on this to support that statement. The review of subdivision submittals to communities and grading plans are really becoming a huge work load for all.The design of the detention basins are doing a very good job of taking care of excess water at each site. Now how much to accommodate in design is the hard part. I think we are all learning as the problems grow.

Their is a lot of very good material that the City Engineering department has presented here and so who will pay for it?? For those that don't experience any of the problems, why should I get stuck with some other person or persons bad decisions. I guess its part of living in a community. The sewer wars of course are still not over and that plays a big part in looking at our water problems. We got stuck paying for Milwaukee and Shorewoods inability to fix their old problem of the combined storm and sanitary systems that still exists today after spending billions of dollars and no fix. You have to go back to the problem and fix it where it starts.  

It is pretty hard to address the overload of information here that the Engineering department has provided. They have done an excellent job of showing the problems they have to deal with and only so many dollars to be able to pick which are the most important.

If all our aldermen can take the time you have expressed here and come to common ground thinking you of course have the power to make the right decision. That decision at times is maybe not supportive of the majority of your people in your district. Right decisions are not always popular decisions. Electing an official that can make right decisions can be difficult for a citizen. Your showing a lot of leadership here for the other aldermen to step up to the plate and do the same. Thank you.

Scott's reply:

Larry, thank you for providing a voice of experience in home construction.  Stormwater management will be an ongoing debate for many years.  The key point is that fixing this stuff will cost money and since "the city" gets its money from the taxpayers, it's all going to come from you, one way or another.  But, that's a topic for another time.

August 5, 2008 11:36 AM

Cindy   

It's great of Alderman Mellone to share his expertise like this. His real-world experience is proving to be a great asset to Brookfield's Common Council.

As a plumbing wholesaler he's very familiar with the products offered. I think it's very strange you would try to cloud the sharing of his knowledge by claiming conflict of interest. No one wailed when you spent all of those years on the IT committee and that is your line of work.

By the way, the city has set precedence for paying homeowners' flood insurance. I don't think this would be much different.

Submitted 10:40 a.m. Friday, August 8th

Scott's reply:

Very familiar indeed! That's why I acknowledged Ald. Mellone's expertise in the issue.

As for my term on the IT committee, I never had a conflict of interest since I never worked for a company who was a vendor to the city or even bid on a city contract and thus could never benefit from any decisions.  That claim is as ridiculous as noting that your husband works for an accounting and investment advisory firm, and the city hires such firms, therefore you should have abstained from all those votes.  There is simply no connection and thus no way you could have profited, thus there was never a conflict for you.  Jerry Mellone, however, runs a firm that does sell to the city (indirectly) and does sell the equipment he cited by brand name.  Note that I showed links to comparable equipment from other firms.  Why else have Lisa Mellone and Dan Sutton abstained from some water and sewer project votes?

Finally, thank you for providing your endorsement of opening the city checkbook wide for every resident who says the city should pay for their home's plumbing upgrades.  I'll be sure to enter your comments into the public record at Tuesday's meeting.

August 8, 2008 10:42 AM

Cindy   

You have lied in a way that could affect my reputation. Your lie will not be tolerated. You and your blog host need to publicly retract your published claim that I want to be "opening the city checkbook wide for every resident who says the city should pay for their home's plumbing upgrades." An apology would be nice, too.

Submitted 3:20 p.m. August 8th

Scott's reply:

Let's see, Ald. Jerry Mellone's comments used the phrases, "Encourage and offer incentives to new construction" and "Brookfield should help the residents isolate those problem homes and utilize back water valves" and "Brookfield could also purchase gasoline or diesel powered pumps", all of which can easily be interpreted as spending a great deal of tax money, some of it for private property improvements.

The subsequent citizen comments of "I have little to no interest in paying for private property improvements" and "I would be willing to consider assistance" and "The individual them selves should pay for this because it is an improvement on private property and they then own it" confirms that interpretation.

Your comment refers to a situation where a city engineering error allowed homes to be constructed in a known floodplain, prompting the city to compensate those owners by paying an insurance premium to cover the one situation that error might cause.  That's a pretty limited circumstance.

Putting these points together, your comment "By the way, the city has set precedence for paying homeowners' flood insurance. I don't think this would be much different." could be reasonably interpreted (by me anyway) as supporting public spending on plumbing to improve private property.  If you wish to clarify your stance, you are welcome to do so.

As for an apology from the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, ask them directly.  I heard you practically have their editor and attorney on speed dial.  Besides, as you are well aware, federal law usually exempts web hosts and blog providers from liability from non-employee entries. 

August 8, 2008 3:19 PM

Larry Knetzger   

Hi Scott. If an elected official has expertise and/or experience in a particular area from working in the private sector that is a great asset that he brings to the table when discussion of similar subjects come to light. If that person works for a really large company it may be unavoidable for the council not to do business with that company. Abstention of that persons vote on the matter would be expected but to void the opportunity of a good product or service for the community because an elected part time official has connection with the firm is idiotic and not fair to us tax payers.

If something is done by competitive bidding and the bids are reviewed for compliance to the bidding documents have at it. Some discussions by the private sector here in Brookfield remind me of the Green Bay Packers vs Farve. Again the voting process seems to answer some of the platforms given by competitors in the political arena here in Brookfield. Contrarianism never seems to hit a home run with the general public.

I really appreciated all the information you provided here and it has taken me quite a long time to go over it but I feel the City has done an excellent job of trying to control the problems at hand. Storm water management and all its relevant issues is an ongoing educational process for all of us. The information you provided here has changed my mind on several subjects and that once again is appreciated.

Yes we have some problems and I am sure they will be addressed. People them selves have to take responsibility for some things that they can protect their homes from loss.

It is always easier to be critical of a situation than to come up with the solution to the problem. Thank you for your restraint and showing class as an elected official to an on going battle of words.

Scott's reply:

Thank you for the well reasoned comments.  Given the relentless accusations against Brookfield officials by a highly vocal few, this is a sensitive topic.  Many of the aldermen and citizen committee members (Plan Commission, etc.) have extensive professional qualifications that they could (and do!) sell in the private sector, yet they offer them freely for a public good. 

I am not aware of any public official, elected or otherwise, having personally profitted due to his or her position.  However, I do think that is a possibility that should always be acknowledged and never tolerated. 

August 9, 2008 10:20 AM

kathryn   

To be clear, my comments were in response to your general questions about acceptable use of public funds, not my interpretation of Alderman Mellone's document.  There is no acceptable level of sewage in MY basement, and I assume neighbors feel the same way about their homes.  To the extent that this problem results from our shared infrastructure, we need to share in solving the problem.  It is not a question of spending or not spending, but how to spend wisely.

Scott's reply:

Thank you for your comments.  This will be discussed at Tuesday (August 12) night's joint Board of Public Works and Water and Sewer Board meeting.  It starts at 7:00pm in the City Hall Council Chambers.

August 9, 2008 1:41 PM

Cindy   

Scott, "reasonably" isn't a word ever properly used in your vocabulary.

Misconstrue my words at your own risk.

Submitted 2:20 p.m. August 9

Scott's reply:

See you Tuesday.  Certainly a local journalist of your stature will be there in person. 

August 9, 2008 2:20 PM

Cindy   

Not a chance. I've something more fun to do. I'm sure you'll be important enough without me even being in the room.

(Oh, come on, I bet you have a biting response for that. After all, I'm driving your hits way up with people watching our little tete-a-tete. You are always good for buffoonery.)

Submitted 7:50 p.m. August 9

Scott's reply:

(sigh) And I thought this sort of thing ended when my kid's ages reached double digits.

August 9, 2008 7:51 PM

Cindy   

Not a chance, Mr. Berg. I may keep this up until you run out of witty comebacks. Surely a man of your stature and influence will enjoy a little coming out party with his loyal subjects in attendance.

Submitted 8:47 a.m. August 10

August 10, 2008 8:49 AM

Greg Kowalski   

Wow, and I thought Franklin politics were interesting...

August 11, 2008 1:31 PM

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