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Roxanne Suson, a Brookfield native and graduate of Brookfield East High School, provides readers with an eclectic mix of topics. Once a trial attorney, now a full-time mom, Roxanne blogs about the happiness, sadness, and absurdity of life and family in the suburbs.

The Face of War

By Roxanne Suson
Friday, Nov 2 2007, 01:58 PM

I am ashamed to admit that I don't think about the war unless I am reading an article in the newspaper or watching something on tv or on the internet.  Like many others, I am guilty of the "indifference" that comes with living my everyday life in my safe, comfortable, suburban cocoon.  On Sunday though, as I sat in church, the war wasn't "distant" any more because it had a face.

Because we have a young child, my family tends to sit at the back of the church, and at a whopping 4' 11", I generally can't see much of what is happening down in front. This Sunday, I had a clear view of the young, Brookfield man who was being called to military service.  He's not the first man from our congregation to be called to serve, and he probably is not the last. 

But his was the first face that I really got a good look at, and when I saw him, I thought, "He's just a child."

The pastor didn't mention his age, but to me, he looked to be about 19 or 20 tops. I thought back to when I was that age.  I was lucky enough to be in college at Marquette, taking classes in new subjects and meeting new people.  I thought of myself as grown-up, but now twenty years later, I realize I was just a child.  I was just beginning. 

Twenty years later, I was looking at a boy, standing on an altar, just beginning, who was facing something much different.

Then, on Good Morning America or the Today Show this week, I saw a news spot that said that the military was now giving out medals to the children of fallen soldiers -- the Gold Medal of Remembrance.  I watched the faces of the featured children receiving their medals, watched as they struggled for composure.

I was humbled by their sacrifice.

Soon, it will be Veterans Day, a day to remember those who have served, including the ones who have fallen in this war. But perhaps, we should also take time to remember the ones left behind -- the parents, the spouses, the children, the friends, all the ones for whom the war has a very real face. 

                                                                     

Comments

intewedm   

If you watch the programs on PBS about the WWII and see how people sacrificed, I can't help but wonder if we could win today.  Our manufacturing base is gone, the media is corrupt and biased, we don't have a draft and most young men wouldn't volunteer, women wouldn't be able to build all the war equipment because there's no factories to build it, and we might be too materialistic to endure rationing and the scarcity of all that we love.  You're so right!  We need to honor those who died or were wounded in huge numbers, and those who lost family members to defeat fascism and preserve our way of life.  Sadly the young aren't being taught civics and history in order to make them know their rights and to be proud to be Americans.  It's more like they are being encouraged to be just the opposite and instead to be members of the global community.  No, I doubt we could win WWII today, but I'm grateful to those that did it!

November 4, 2007 8:34 AM

contrarian   

I think there are other factors that weigh into our motivations about this war.  A)  The reasons to go to war were garbled, changed monthly to suit the circumstance.  Even after 9/11, we don't know what we are fighting for, and the connections between Iraq and our security are not presented in a convincing manner.

More importantly, we lack the moral character in our leadership to lead us in war.  Sacrifice?  No way.  This president gave tax cuts to the rich at the start of the war.  Are we fighting for democracy?  After Abu Garab, Gitmo, and the invasions of our civil liberties, we have so lost the high moral ground such that we can't justify this war in our value system.  The framers of our Constitution must be rolling in their graves.

I have known many who fought in this war.  Their sacrifice is immense.  As a nation, we cannot get behind this war because our leadership has been too corrupt, too foolish, and to inept to command the support of America.

November 6, 2007 3:32 PM

intewedm   

I should probably just ignore your uninformed babble, but I just can't bring myself to do it!  I disagree with EVERYTHING you said.  You are just parroting what you see on the evening news which is mostly a bunch of lies because they hate Bush so much for defeating the two losers that your crowd put up against him.  I will only tell you one thing that you should know...we are fighting against Islamic extremists who would love to cut off your head just because you are an American.  This is a test to see how long it takes for us to give up and give in.  They will formulate their future actions based on how they perceive our resolve to be.  You need to read some history and also pay attention to media that is still dedicated to telling the truth to the American people.  The Democrats thought that their were WMDs also, and if Clinton hadn't been such a slacker, he would have taken Bin Laden when Sudan offered to hand him over.  We need a brave soul in the White House who isn't afraid to defend us from the Islamists!  Your comments reflect those of millions of Americans who don't understand the danger and I remain convinced they would rather surrender than die.

November 7, 2007 1:39 PM

contrarian   

Where to begin.....

The core of my argument is that a poorly concieved, poorly managed war will not command the respect of the American people.  You are welcome take a another swipe at that one, you totally missed it this time out.  Don't be critical of American strength and resolve in this miserable situation.

I didn't mention Al Gore or John Kerry, I cannot believe we wouldn't be better off with either of them rather than President Cheney..er..Bush.

The WMD argument was unraveling well before the war.  If you want to read the history from the point of view of the weapons inspectors, or the bookshelf full of former Bushies publishing the "It wasn't my fault " memoirs, you can report back to us then.

We are fighting a battle of hearts and minds.  After 9/11, the world stood by us.  Now, the entire middle east, along with most of the rest of the civilized world, doesn't admire or respect us. (For instance, polling data from our friends in Turkey indicates that a full 9% of the population has a favorable view of the US).  Can we lead from this position of weakness?

We are fighting among Islamic Extremists, but mostly, we are in the midst of a civil war.

We have weakened our military to the point of breaking, meaning we are unable to mount a serious response to any new threat.

Amazingly, you raise the name Bin Laden.  George Bush rarely mentions this name.  Got any ideas why that is?  

The other battle of hearts and minds going on here is among Americans.  Around 75% don't support the President.  You can continue to peddle panic and fear if you like.  I, for one, would like to see a President that understands diplomacy, consensus building, and the proper use of force.

November 7, 2007 8:45 PM

intewedm   

I sent Contrarian an email to let him/her know what I think of the latest Bush-hating post.

November 9, 2007 11:11 AM

contrarian   

I intially intended to ignore the email, but the author brought it up. The full text:

"I don't want to keep arguing with you on someone else's blog, but I must tell you that you are full of crap!"

I agree on the first point.  We shouldn't argue this here, Roxanne made an extremely insightful comment about the sacrifice of our military.  I will repeat:  I admire and respect our service men and women immensely, even if I don't agree with the war.  We should not make the mistakes of Viet Nam over in this regard.

Unfortunately, this exchange is an example of what is wrong with the debate over the most important issue of our time.  We can't disagree and discuss, or even agree to disagree.  While our soldiers die, we have to send emails like the one above.  I am certainly not hurt (been called worse), just disappointed in the level of maturity of the discourse.  

Our nation and our military deserve better.

November 9, 2007 12:48 PM

J. Strupp   

Well said Contrarian.  You pretty much state the opinion of the majority of Americans who understand that the War in Iraq has been one of the largest foreign policy blunders in our nation's history.  Hopefully the next President, whomever it is, will be capable of repairing the extensive damage that this administration has caused our nation as well as redirect our efforts towards destroying Al Qaeda and the terrorist organizations that threaten our national security.  Considering the extensive resurgence of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, Pakistan and now Iraq (thanks to this administration), the task of fighting terrorism around the world will be a long road ahead.  

November 11, 2007 6:45 PM

intewedm   

I believe that most Americans have very short memories and are extremely uninformed about anything other than their wallets.  I believe that a large terrorist attack on one or more of our cities is unavoidable.  When that occurs, you'll see just how quickly the liberals will be screaming that Bush didn't do enough.  There is no winning with the Bush-hating liberals who would rather surrender than fight.  I for one remember how the world sat passively while Hitler rose to power.  Saddam was a monster and needed to be overthrown.  Bin Laden and his ilk are worse and need to be fought with all that we have.  The mullahs and president of Iran need to be next.  If I were younger, I'd be there fighting for our freedom and my God.  Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't think the opinion of most Americans is based on knowledge.

November 12, 2007 1:06 PM

J. Strupp   

"There is no winning with the Bush-hating liberals......."

You are correct on that.  President Bush has lost the respect of many Americans, Bush-hating liberals being the best example.  Saddam was a monster.  Correct.  So is Musharraf and Hugo Chavez.  Should we invade their countries as well or would assassination be a better option?  Bin Laden and his ilk are worse than Saddam.  I agree.  Shouldn't we have eliminated Bin Laden and destroyed Al Qaeda before embarking on an invasion of Iraq, where Al Qaeda didn't exist until 3 years ago?  I see that you believe Iran should be invaded next.  How many American soldiers do you want to leave in Iraq while we invade Iran?  Sounds like a lot of invasions.  Do you support a nationwide draft in order to increase our troop levels needed to hold our newly occupied territories in the middle east?  

Also, if another attack on one or more of our cities is unavoidable, why waste our time, "fighting them over there so we don't have to fight them here"?  I thought the whole idea of fighting them over there was so that we DIDN't have to fight them over here?  

Finally, again I agree that many American are uninformed about our actions in the middle east.  They believe that Al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein were connected, Iraq had an active nuclear and biological weapons program that posed an imminent treat, Saddam tried to buy yellow cake uranium in africa, Osama Bin Laden attacked the U.S. because "he hates our freedom", we are currently shrinking the number of international terrorists by our actions in Iraq, etc. etc. etc.  Agreeing with any of the above statemnents is, indeed, uninformed.    

November 13, 2007 10:56 AM

intewedm   

I didn't say I want to "invade" Iran!  I want to bomb their military and nuclear sites to kingdom come.  When they mass their troops and come across the border of Iraq we can cluster bomb them into little pieces.  Yes, I support a national draft, a larger military, and lower pay to support it.  Service to one's country in dangerous times should be expected of its citizenry!  Fighthing them over there sends a message that we are "up to the task" and won't be walked on.  If you know where Bin Laden is, let the military know and they'll go get him.  Only a fool suggests that one can actually find a "needle in a haystack"...especially when it keeps moving and is being hidden by the farmer.  Your hero Clinton had the chance to accept him from Sudan and declined.  That's what we can look forward to with the Dems back in the White House.  If you need to know why we need to be prepared and to actually fight, read the following and then go to the Koran to see that it's true.

www.faithfreedom.org/.../sinaawaintro.htm

November 13, 2007 3:38 PM

J. Strupp   

Ever read the old testiment?  I have.  You will find very similar acts of violence in the Old Testiment AND the Koran.  By the sounds of it, seems that you are preparing yourself for a crusade against the religion of Islam.  Are you?

The whole world knows were Osama Bin Laden is.  He's on the Pakistani/Afghan border.  You know, the same place he was when he, Zawahiri and the rest Al Qaeda's leadership were located during the battle of Tora Bora when we left the assult up to Afghan nationals instead of American special forces. I agree that it's difficult to find a needle in a haystack when the haystack is in Afghanistan and you are looking in Iraq.    

Clinton failed horribly at killing Bin Laden as well.  I agree.

You want to bomb Iran?  I'm sure the Shiite majority in Iraq will take kindly to that idea and continue working with us to secure Iraq for a future democracy.  Oh that's right, Sunni, Shiite, Kurd, there all the same to you right?  The enemy is Islam isn't it?

November 13, 2007 4:18 PM

intewedm   

Yes, the enemy is Islam and they love it that so many people like you don't get it!  They have been conquering the world for 1400 years BY FORCE and we have the idea "they are a religion of peace".  You are extremely naive and uninformed.  You are making arguments that you can't support with ANY facts.  I have no doubt you would not have any problem becoming a Muslim, but I will die rather than do that.  Iraq will never be a democracy.  Their system is feudal and we are just too dumb to see that.  American diplomacy has always been worthless when it comes to dealing with most others besides the Europeans, the Japanese, South Koreans, and some of the West-leaning Asians.  There may be differences of opinions but we all need to be concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren.  

If you need some enlightenment, go to levitt.com and watch the videos

"Bad Moon Rising".  Be sure to start at the beginning in the archives.  You will hear Muslims tell the truth about Islam, which is satanic in origin and practice.  Who else cuts off heads and dances for joy?

November 13, 2007 6:43 PM

J. Strupp   

Fact:  The old testiment is filled with violence. Read it.  You don't even have to take a website's word for it.  They have copies of the Bible pretty much anywhere believe it or not.

Fact:  Afghan nationals led the assult of Tora Bora with minimal support from American Special Forces.  Our government does not deny this.

Fact:  Clinton failed horribly at killing Osama Bin Laden.  

Fact:  The majority of Iraq's population is made up of Shiite Muslims.  The majority on Iranians are Shiite.  I'm sure you didn't know this until now.  You learn something everyday.

Please be more specific as to which argument is not fact based.

"They have been conquering the world for 1400 years BY FORCE and we have the idea "they are a religion of peace".  

Please name me the muslim countries in the last 1400 years that has "conquered" non-muslim countries.  Now name me non-muslim countries that have "conquered" muslim countries in the last 1400 years.  Please send me a list.  I'm interested in what you come up with.

"American diplomacy has always been worthless when it comes to dealing with most others besides the Europeans, the Japanese, South Koreans, and some of the West-leaning Asians."

So why do you believe in our current policies towards Iraq if it's always been worthless?  

"we all need to be concerned about the future for our children and grandchildren."

The treat of Islamic radicals makes me concerned for my children.  Your opinion of tearing through the Middle East on a religous crusade makes me concerned for you.

"I have no doubt you would not have any problem becoming a Muslim."

That's an ignorant statement for someone who professes to be so "informed".  You don't know me or my religion, which is none of your business anyway.  Stick to "facts" if you can.

November 13, 2007 9:06 PM

Roxanne Suson    

Hello Readers!

Well, it seems that my blog set off a firestorm of comments.  Although I certainly welcome comments, I think we have strayed from the real point of my blog.  

I also think that the war in Iraq is a topic that many people have passionate views about, but it is also a topic that I think we will just have to "agree to disagree" about.

Thank you.

November 14, 2007 1:52 PM

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