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Franklin-Oak Creek 27th St. Steering Committee Mtg. 05/13/08 & 04/18/08 Minutes

By Janet Evans
Tuesday, May 13 2008, 09:32 PM


I attended the Franklin-Oak Creek Joint 27th Street Steering Committee meeting early this evening at 4:00 p.m.  It was held at Oak Creek City Hall.

During the Citizen Comment period, I asked the Committee why the minutes of meetings were not posted on the City of Franklin website, next to the agendas.  After making my comment, which was actually a question, there was no response from the Committee.  I was the only citizen to make a comment.  Chairman Grintjes then closed the comment session and asked the Committee if anyone had anything to say, and Kristen Wilhelm asked whether anyone was intending to respond to my question.  Oak Creek Director of Community Development, Doug Seymour, stated that meeting minutes are always available upon request.  That was it.  No one went into why they are not posted, etc.

FranklinNOW blogger Greg Kowalski covered most of the points of the Boomgaard issue in his blog.  Basically, there was nothing Earth shattering.  Mayor Bolender was forthright in his comments. 

Here is some of what he said:


"The name in my situation did not appeal to me and like a good soldier you fall on your sword once in a while.  And so I did that, and basically I received a lot of criticism for that, which I understand.  I was never nuts about this but I ‘m a team player and I thought O.K., Franklin likes it; half of the Council liked it, half didn’t and we could have went through that all week.  So, the idea I have is you should never do anything knee-jerk because knee-jerk never gets you any place you really want to go.  It just postpones failure generally.  So, I’m with you people if you’re in the same pew I am in church here in that we should be looking at this and if you know if it doesn’t sit right with us, and we think about this and we get some input from the citizens.  And you know I look at it in today’s world if kids who are text messaging each other talking a different language than us old people do and I look at it that that can be changed to several different  things and I think that’s part of what we also have to guard against."

"I don’t think that we want to make a giant mistake and then say O.K. I’m just going to show you I can make a mistake, and I think that this would be the dumbest thing we ever did is to just proceed on and say well too bad, that’s what we want.  And I just want to look at this and get some feeling for it because like I say, nobody’s convinced me yet. "

"And I always tell everybody I’ve got this little voice in my head that kept me alive and well in the service.  It tells me what to do and what not to do.  And I think this is about the second or third time that I went against that little voice. And it happened just like the other times.  And I just want to review this.  And I’m making this public and I don’t care what people think about this.  It’s not a switch.  I never was nuts about it but I did it for the good, the common cause of pushing 27th Street forward which is very good for the region and our two cities. But to keep it in the suspension and to think about it for 60 days or 30 days or whatever the councils want to do, I think that’s just the smart thinking.    And if this name is a failure, then plan B comes jumping out at us and I don’t see any problem with that.  And I don’t believe to run…because people call me up….Saturday with the Mayor two people came in and made a joke and laughed, but after I explained it to them I said I’m not for this thing but I did it for the good of the group and I said you can’t be too strict so we’re going to think about it.   They respected the idea that we’re going to think about it.  If it doesn’t appeal, it doesn’t appeal.  But to just say O.K. drop it and let’s go to something else doesn’t show our maturity.  So that’s my stance on this thing."


After Mayor Bolender commented, Jim Rhiner, and the rest of the Committee commented about a timeline.  The Committee wants to take their time...60 days...90 days...120 days...150 days....this time it isn't as important to move things along from the sound of it.  And, just how will input from citizens be gathered?  That's what I would like to know.  That wasn't mentioned.  I heard mention that  "feedback from the business community" is needed.  Specifically "Milwaukee" businesses and developers. 

I'm going to fast forward to the end of the meeting.  When it was over I approached Ted Grintjes and he offered to email me past meeting minutes.  I asked why they aren't posted.  He said they don't work the same way as other committees.  I asked if the minutes that were approved at today's meeting were available, and could I have a copy of those?  He said yes, and those (April, 18th) are printed below.  He said he would talk to a few people to see what would be best, posting the minutes on the "web site" or emailing them to me.  I told him I felt if they could be emailed, that they could be posted just as easily.  Meeting minutes need to be made public before a meeting so citizens may review them in case they have any issues they may want to address the committee about.

Next I asked about the Agenda.  Why are dates and times of the next meetings not posted sooner if meetings are supposedly decided at the current meeting?  Ted Grintjes confirmed the meetings are set far in advance.  He said they aren't posted in advance because then the agenda would have to be posted, and it might change.  I said that a meeting date could very well be posted ahead of time without an agenda.  It's done all of the time.  The agenda does not have to be posted until closer to the meeting.   In looking at the meeting minutes below, today's meeting was decided upon back on April 18th.  There is no reason the public had to find out about the meeting yesterday.  People need to plan ahead if they want to attend meetings, especially if they are meetings that are held during the day.  The next meeting of the Steering Committee is going to be held June 12th, at Franklin City Hall, at Noon.  Most people are working at that time or may want to plan a lunch hour around that meeting time if they know ahead of time.

That said, here are the meeting minutes from April 18, 2008:




FRANKLIN-OAK CREEK
JOINT 27th STREET STEERING COMMITTEE

Franklin City Hall
Hearing room
9229 West Loomis Road
Franklin, Wisconsin

Friday, April 18, 2008
4:30 p.m.

Meeting Minutes
Approved



I.          Call to Order and Roll Call
           
            Chairman Grintjes called the meeting to order at 4:30 p.m.  Members Grintjes,
            Rhiner, Michalski, and Myszkowski all present.


II.          Citizen Comment Period

            No citizens came forward to speak.


            Chairman Grintjes introduced new Franklin Alderman Kristen Wilhelm, followed
            by introductions of Committee members.


III.         Meeting Minutes

            a.  March 12, 2008

                 Motion to approve by Rhiner, second by Michalski.  All voted aye;
                 motion approved.


            b.  March 19, 2008

                 Motion to approve by Myszkowski, second by Rhiner.  All voted aye;
                 motion approved.

             c.  April 2, 2008

                  Motion to approve by Michalski, subject to “context sensitive design” being
                  changed to “community sensitive design” where it appears under item IV-B
                  of the draft meeting minutes from April 2, 2008.  Second by Myszkowski.  All
                  voted aye to approve the meeting minutes as amended; motion approved.

IV.        Business

            A.  Future reconstruction of South 27th Street by the Wisconsin Department
                 of Transportation. Between West College Avenue and the southern boundary
                 of Milwaukee County.
                No action taken.

           
B.  Design and implementation of streetscape features for the South 27th Street
                 Corridor plan Area.

                 No action taken.

          
C.  Context Sensitive Design for improvements to the I-94 freeway I-94, between
                 General Mitchell International Airport and the southern boundary of
                 Milwaukee County.  This item will include, but not be limited to, cost,
                 timetable, and creative input.

                 Discussion of Community Sensitive Design cost share on major roads
                 between South 27th Street and I-94, and the proposed freeway interchange
                 at West Drexel Avenue.

         
D.   Third-party development review process for the South 27th Street Corridor
                 Plan Area.

                 No action taken.

          E.   Nominations for “Salute to Local Government Awards: from the Public
                 Policy Forum.

                 The Committee directed staff from the City of Franklin to proceed with the
                 proposed nomination for planning of the South 27th Street corridor.

          F.   Nominations for the “Excellence in Economic Development Awards “from the
                International Economic Development Council.

                The Committee directed staff from the City of Oak Creek to proceed with the
                proposed nomination for planning of the South 27th Street corridor.

       
G.   Availability of Transportation Enhancement (TE) funds through the Wisconsin
               Department of Transportation for projects within the South 27th Street Corridor
               Plan Area.

               Member Myszkowski requested a funding timeline for Wisconsin Department
               of Transportation grant programs from HNTB.  Ashley Booth of HNTB agreed
               to provide this at a future meeting of the Committee.

      
H.   Marketing, branding, positioning, and public relations activities for the South
              27th Street Corridor Plan Area.  This item will include, but not be limited to, an
              update on marketing activities from the Zizzo Group.  The Committee may
              enter into closed session pursuant to 19.85(1)(e),Wisconsin Statutes, to
              deliberate on matters concerning investment of public funds relating to strategy
              for naming, branding, and marketing, for competitive and bargaining reasons,
              and to reenter open session at the same place thereafter to act on such matters
              discussed therein as it deems appropriate.

              Motion by Myszkowski to enter closed session, to deliberate matters concerning
             investment of public funds relating to strategy for naming, branding, and
             and marketing, for competitive and bargaining reasons.  Second by
             Rhiner.  The Committee entered into closed session at 4:40 p.m.

             The Committee returned to open session at 6:15 p.m.


V.         Next meeting date(s) and location(s)

            The next meeting of the Committee was scheduled for May 13 at 4 p.m.  at
            Oak Creek City Hall.


VI.       Adjournment

           Motion by Michalski to adjourn, second by Grintjes.  All voted aye.  Meeting
           adjourned at 6:43 p.m.




Comments

Greg Kowalski   

Thanks Janet for the quotes. Much appreciated.

May 13, 2008 9:38 PM

Kevin Fischer   

I, too, appreciated the quotes, Janet.

This time, I noticed there were no uhhhhh's and  ummmmm's in your account of the quotes from the meeting.

Oh, wait. That's right. You don't have Pete Kosovich to kick around anymore.

May 13, 2008 9:53 PM

Karen123   

Mark Belling talked about this yesterday afternoon.  It should be available on his podcast for a few more hours.  As usual he was quite humorous when discussing the name "Boomgard".

If I remember correctly it was in the 5:00pm hour.

May 14, 2008 1:46 PM

Bryan Maersch   

Janet

I have to believe that next time Kevin, Charlie Sykes, and Mark Belling (two of his close friends) get together, Kevin will have quite a few  uhhhhh's and ummmmm's for Charlie and Mark as they laugh at his stand on Boomgaard.

May 14, 2008 2:40 PM

Greg Kowalski   

Bryan,

You couldn't have said it any better than that. It's obvious as to who's the messenger for those in City Hall who are rather embarrassed that the public hates the name they picked for them.

Belling said it best: You don't pay $370,000 to an ad/PR firm when you have two economic development directors that are being paid for.

May 14, 2008 6:24 PM

In the Race   

Something is rotten in Franklin

May 19, 2008 8:21 PM

In the Race   

I wasn’t able to attend the S. 27 th . Street Corridor Steering Committee meeting yesterday, which took

September 4, 2008 12:00 PM

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