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Kyle and her husband moved to Brookfield in 1986. She became active in local politics and started blogging in 2004. Her focus is primarily on local issues but often includes state and national topics, too. Kyle looks at things from the taxpayers’ perspective in a creative, yet down to earth way, addressing them from a practical point of view.

It's not easy going GREEN

By Kyle Prast
Friday, Jan 25 2008, 07:42 PM

You just cannot depend on common sense any more. Last year, I remember hearing that California was thinking of banning the incandescent light bulb and mandating more energy efficient fluorescent lamps. I was not too concerned; I just chalked that up to another nutty Californian idea.

But just before the end of 2007, President Bush signed onto the United States Congress' energy bill phasing out most incandescent light bulbs! (Sensenbrenner, by the way voted against this ridiculous piece of legislation, but 314 of his fellow representatives lacked the backbone to oppose it--too afraid of committing heresy against the new religion of global warming.)

What? How did that happen? Did you even know that incandescent ban was in the works? How many people still don't know that C.F. (compact fluorescent) mandate is coming down the pike?

Now I had made my own little attempt at "going green" during the summer of 2006. I installed a 4 lamp exposed bulb light fixture above my kitchen sink. (The proper term for a light bulb is a "lamp".) 

I'm not ashamed to say it, I am well over 50 years old and I need more light--the eye, as it ages, does not receive light as well as it once did. Since I seem to spend most of my time in the kitchen, I thought I would live it up and enjoy the equivalent of 240 watts of light for the energy cost of 60 watts by using the decorator type compact fluorescents (round globe style).

My foray into going green, however, has been an abysmal failure. I can barely get 4 months of use out of these decorative type compact fluorescent lamps that are to last 7 years! Instead of saving energy, I am wasting energy when you consider the 14 mile round trip trek to the store to exchange them. How is that helping the environment?

Speaking of the environment, what about disposal? These lamps contain mercury, a very toxic substance. Mandating these lamps makes about as much sense as mandating lead paint. All of that mercury will end up in the landfills and heaven help you if you break one of them.

I am going back to the decorative round incandescent bulbs lamps. It makes me sick that in a few years I will have no choice but to use the horrid compact fluorescents that don't last. I guess that is what happens When Politicians Make Engineering Choices.

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P.S. The price tag for these lamps is about 3X the cost of the incandescent even with the rebate. And by the way, who do you think is paying for that rebate? Yup. It is us.

I do use the squiggly compact fluorescents in the basement, on porches, lamps on timers, and closets. There, the ugly style lamps work fine--hanging upside-down I might add. They do not work for automatic motion sensor applications though. 

Another P.S. My decorator globe style CF fluorescent lamp packaging pictures one in a ceiling fixture hanging upside down! That is not the problem. The voltage is not the problem--this is the only place I am having this problem (did not have this problem with incandescents either).  

Comments

Shawn Matson   

Did you know they make the fluorescents in the traditional bulb shape now?  I have one of the original GE green fluorescents that I got when I was a freshman over 4 years ago.  It's still going strong.

Kyle's reply: Yes, I have seen those. Mine look just like the round, decorator style incandescent lamps for exposed bulb fixtures. I broke one once, by accident, and saw that under the round globe there was a compact fluorescent inside (thankfully that part did not break). Today another blew out and I have taken to writing the date installed on it. It stated 10/07! Although they are guaranteed for up to 7 years, I just cannot get these to last more than a half of a year!

January 25, 2008 7:52 PM

Larry Knetzger   

Hi Kyle, I am with you on the fluorescents, we had one in our living room floor lamp that was smoldering while still working. Pre-cursor to a fire. Just imagine if you leave your light on by a timer or just while gone some where, come back to a pile of charcoal .

I built a home for a family in Monches Wis. in 1984, they still have the same lamps in the exterior porch light fixtures to this day. They leave them on all the time. They cost pennies to operate. I get the longest life from my post lamp on our driveway. Maybe a year, not 7 years. I wonder what manufacturer filled the pockets of those sponsoring the legislation to shuv that piece through. Going green can end up BROWN.Same as the Ethanol story, just another political joke.

Kyle's reply: What attracted me to using these was their new, round globe shape. Mine are from Feit electric and they bear the energy star logo. The lamps state they are to last 8,000 average life hours. They aren't cheap either; these were $7.00 each + gas to exchange at the store every few months!  AND don't forget that rebate that the early purchases had--paid for by us!

What I really object to is losing my ability to make the choice. This is another example of how our freedoms are being taken away in the name of saving the planet. The compact fluorescent mandate is truly ironic when you consider the amount of toxic waste heading for our landfills. 

January 26, 2008 9:02 AM

BrkfldDad   

I have actually had great success with the CFs and continue to use them.  But... of my own accord, not government mandated!  I don't agree with the gov't stepping in on this one, if the CFs are so great, the market will dictate a switch.

Kyle - in the fine little print on most of the CF bulbs, it tells you you cannot use them in enclosed overhead fixtures, nor in most cases use them in fixtures where they hang upside down - that may have been your problem.

Kyle's reply: No, the fixture is not enclosed, nor is there a restriction on upside down--in fact, they picture it in a hanging fixture. 


January 26, 2008 10:10 AM

Shawn Matson   

Kyle, try the GE brand, they seem to work for me.  And are these lamps you use often because it's life is measured in hours of use.  I wonder why there is such a large quality gap.

And you didn't mention that the ILB's will be phased out by 2010 i believe.  It doesn't mean you can't use the ILB.  But this is already forcing the CFL's to become more efficient and raise quality standards.

I hope you find a bulb that works for you and the earth.

Kyle's reply: Yes, I know that I can still use ILBs after 2010, but I will not be able to purchase them. I will give the GE's a try. When I made the switch in 2006, GE did not have any in the 800 lumen size. Maybe now they do have a 60 watt equivalent. 

It is true my kitchen fixture is on a bit, but when I had the old ILB fixture, I was not changing lamps as frequently. Maybe once a year per lamp. 

January 26, 2008 11:05 AM

momoftwo   

Kyle -

When we first purchased our home 3 years ago, we had a lot of trouble with light bulbs burning out.  We had a few bulbs that only lasted a few weeks!  Finally, an electrician told us that the voltage coming into our house was consistently 124-126 volts - higher than the recommended for an average 120 volt bulb.  When there was a surge in the power coming into the house (i.e. neighbors came home from work and turned on major appliances) the surge would blow our bulbs.  We found that Elliott's Ace sells 130v bulbs just for homes like ours.  The problems with burnt out bulbs has become almost non-existent since the find.  

This would apply too to the compact flourescent bulbs.  If you are having a problem with burnt out bulbs to the extent that you mention, your next call should be to an electrician who can tell you what the voltage is coming into your home.  Rather than immediately finding fault with the makers of the CF bulbs, make sure that the power coming into your home from We energies isn't what is actually the root of all light bulb problems.

Kyle's reply: I have heard of the uneven voltage problem, but that is not the case here. This is the only fixture I am having trouble with. These are the only CFs I am having trouble with too (I have other squiggly types all over the house). The real "trouble" is that after 2010, what are we going to use in these type of exposed lamp light fixtures? (That is after our stash of incandescents is used up.) And, what about chandeliers? 

January 26, 2008 10:39 PM

Santa's Elf   

I've had luck with small bedroom lamp stands in just using the standard fluorescents, now on sale at the true value in Butler. The lamp shade just sort of hovers over the top of the lamp. But it's ok as long as you don't touch it. It is interesting that the globe shaped bulbs don't last too long.

The one gripe I have with fluorescents is that they don't as yet replace 150 - 200 watt bulbs. You've just got to trash your three way lamp stands to get fully green!

Kyle's reply: I have a few balancing lampshades in my home too! FYI: I have seen a 150 watt equivalent in the squiggly variety CF, but not a 3 way. 

January 27, 2008 12:55 PM

intewedm   

I sent a comment to Shawn before I read your post, but he apparently only posts comments that he agrees with now.  Hmmm, do liberals think the first amendment only applies to them?  In any event, I commented that in Glenn Beck's book "An Inconvenient Book" he has an interesting chapter that deals with this and points out that Australia has enacted the same law banning incandescent bulbs and that the effect on CO2 is so insignificant as to be meaningless.  The added mercury release into the environment is probably a much more serious problem, since it's illegal to put burnt out CFL bulbs into the trash but you know people will do it anyhow.  Big brother and stupid dictates at work!

(Post Script: Shawn commented, "I posted the comment...I was out of town.")

January 28, 2008 7:59 AM

DerekD   

One of the biggest challenges electric companies face is when building plants is they don't have to build to meet the average demand, they have to build to meet peak demand.  Peak demand is usually during the day when businesses and factories are operating at full capacity.  In the summer, add the stress of air conditioning and peak demand can be pretty high.  Demand goes down at night when a lot of factories shut down for the evening (most plants do not run three shifts).  During the night, most power plants have to cut way back on production since there is not as much demand and that huge plant they build just sits there at idle.

Enter the CFL bulb.  When do you use it most?  At night. When the power plant is operating way below peak capacity. As soon as the factory fires up in the morning (and you've turned off your light) they are polluting as much as they were before you went "green".  The fact of the matter is that household light fixtures (even incandescent) make up very little of the consumption of electricity.

Additionally, while most CFL's advertise up to a five year life span, most use really poorly made ballasts that fail in a lot less time (we moved to our current home in 2004 and none of my current CFL's are that old).  Almost no one saves the receipt for a light bulb purchase, so no one takes up the manufacturer on their warranties.

There really are only two main benefits to CFL's neither environmental:  they use less power, which does save the user money and they put out more light with a lot less heat which means you can safely overlamp a fixture.  Got a fixture in your kitchen that will only allow a 75W bulb?  If you put a 68W CFL in it you'll get as much light as 300W of incandescent light.  (Remember the packaging may say 60, but that are only comparing light output.  A 60W "equivalent" bulb is only uses 13W of power.)

BTW - have you tried finding a local place to recycle your CFL bulbs?  They won't take them at the recycling center, except for one day a year.  IKEA down in Chicago will take them for free, but in reality it costs almost a buck to recycle each lamp.  I really wonder when the huge "environmental" push of 2006 will backfire when all this mercury gets dumped into landfills.

I can feel for the environmentalists trying to help the earth, but it wasn't until someone explained that CFL's do little to advance that cause (or in fact make it worse) that I started to question it.  Is the push good?  Probably, especially when the next wave of technology comes - we saw it this year for Christmas lights: LED.  LED lamps will have the same benefit of reduced consumption, plus they work with dimmers.

Kyle's reply: Great comments--you sound like an electrician. My son also mentioned the cheap ballast boards inside my "pretty" lamps as the culprit. Power companies led the charge for consumers to be more efficient. They don't want to build more plants (too much public objection to every fuel source--NIMBY).

CFs are great for over-lamping and for use in closets (no fire hazard). However, the mercury disposal issue is huge. I would welcome LEDs for Christmas lights, but they don't come in a true white.

January 28, 2008 10:18 AM

DerekD   

Santa's Elf:  I've seen 3-way CFL's at the Wauwatosa Home Depot (but after the fiasco of buying my water heater there, I can't in good conscious recommend shopping there)

January 28, 2008 10:19 AM

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